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1 trend I notice in Najib administration is not
dissimillar to Badawi's one, which is
consistently inconsistent

1) in budget, he spoke of reducing operating
expenditure, nice one...but then barely 2 moons
later he justified the GST introduction by
citing raising cost.

don't know what cause the operating cost
increase. as far as I know, Rosmah was not doing
any christmas shopping in Orchard Road

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2) Najib spend lotsa money to promote 1Malaysia,
nice slogan, nice bilboards and the next thing
we see is 2 Peraks, 2 tax rates in Malaysia and
a few litle cowhead boys in Shah Alam plus a tug
of war amongst his own lieutenants wrt BTN

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3) I like the "rakyat first" wording but we now
have a new trend where a rakayt fulfilled his
responsibility to fight graft by going to MACC
to act with fear as a witness and Najib
administration has create the first rakyat to
die in MACC compound.

we used to have poor people exempted from income
tax but now we probably have the first poor
Malaysians to pay GST income level regardless

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We’ll be paying less with GST -
Currently, a wide range of goods is subject to
5% or 10% sales tax and 5% service tax
on selected services. By simple calculation and
logic, I would say that the poor
should not be badly hit if they were to pay the
4% GST.
Many of us may not realise that we are
indirectly paying 5%-10% sales tax on many
goods that we buy; sales tax is already charged
by the manufacturer.

This is someone say on
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?
file=/2009/12/7/focus/5251827&sec=focus

My opinion : Assume we buy a product RM 100.00
which already consist 5%-10% sales tax , so
the existing sales tax and service tax abolished
when GST is introduced , so will the
product price down 5%-10% . The answer is No .
And yet we have to pay extra RM 4.00 for
every RM 100.00 we spent . And a lot of products
not subject to tax , will now have to include
the 4% GST Tax .

The correct answer is : we will pay more with
GST .

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As a consumer we should have an open mind and
trust the Government’s promise that GST will not
burden the rakyat.

This is someone say on
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?
file=/2009/12/7/focus/5251827&sec=focus

If you earn RM 10,000 per month , you can say
this . If you one day you lost job and
earn RM 700 per month on new job , you still
have a choice to continue
open mind and trust the Government’s promise
that GST will not burden the rakyat.

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I think in GST issue we have to be objective and
open mind. The government can't keep on depend on
commodities like oil and palm oil to support the
budget which includes operating expenditure. In
fact, GST is imposed by most countries around the
world. Whether it's BN or not being the government
this is a problem Malaysians have to face. The only
thing I hoped is that if they government impose GST
4% they will reduce the income tax by 4% and also
giving more reliefs to taxpayer. Also the government
need to get more food businessman and pasar malam
businessman to pay their tax. So in this issue I
can't say that I disagree with imposing GST.
This is good for the government to develop the
country irregardless the gov is BN or Pakatan

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The only thing you hoped is that if they
government impose GST 4% they will reduce the
income tax by 4% and also giving more reliefs to
taxpayer.

So Mr A , very rich with yearly income RM
100,000 can get RM4,000 rebate if he spend RM
100,000

But Mr B so poor , not a tax payer ( RM 700.00 x
12 months )= RM 8,400 get what if he spend RM
8,400.00

Regarding the government can't keep on depend on
commodities like oil and palm oil to support the
budget , if the government don't do stupid things
like PKFZ RM 12.5 billion , additional cost RM 1
billion for train from Rawang to Ipoh , do BN
need additional income . Take example for PR
Selangor Government which use only RM1.3 billion
budgets to manage the state without additional
tax .

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you're referring to just individual taxpayers while
i'm referring to a broader picture as a whole.
1) The 4% reduction in income tax is not just
benefited the rich. It's really benefits the
business especially for the new SME, and also to
attract more foreign investors to come over here to
invest, which in return will create more jobs in the
country. When more jobs created, more Malaysians
will be able to be eligible to be a taxpayer and
paid tax to the country as well

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Pasar malam businessman buy goods ( in order to
sale ) , have to pay 4% GST Tax , and when
customer buy goods from them , have to pay
another 4% GST Tax ?????

Another thing , I wonder why some rich people so
open-mind , no problem paying goods with GST
tax , but still hope government to reduce his
income tax ??????

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I'm not here to debate whether government can manage
the budget if no PKFZ scandal and so on, but rather
i'm focusing on what's good for the future of the
country, irregardless who's in the government. Even
if the government is clean and manage the country
well, we'll have to face GST. Singapore has already
imposed GST for years. Malaysia, of course can't
keep on depending on Petronas because we'll be net
importing oil country soon.

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I believe that Selangor Pakatan manage the state
well. But do you know that Selangor gov is also
complaining from time to time that they can't get
enough money to develop the state because of less
funding? They only manage well in terms of
operating expenses, not the development. Even
Penang faces the same problem. That's why Lee Kuan
Yew asked Lim GE to work together with Fed Gov to
secure more funding when he came here during June.

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My friend, if pasar malam is earning more than for
eg, $500k per year, they either
1)should not be operating their business in pasar
malam,
or 2) the pasar malam hawkers is really a rich
business
and therefore they should be subjected to be a
taxpayer first before charging GST to consumers.
Like I said, let's be objective when debating this
issue.
FYI, my income bracket is 7% therefore i'm not
benefited if no relief given after GST. So no point
of personal attacking. Let's be professional. Nie
Ching, what's your thought on this?

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When more jobs created, more Malaysians
will be able to be eligible to be a taxpayer and
paid tax to the country as well . Really ?

A Foreign investors come here and open a
supermarket , and employ a lot of cashier which
each paid is RM 700.00 - RM 800.00 per month .
So how many of this cashier with pay only RM
700.00 - RM 800.00 per month , able to pay
income tax ???????

A Foreign Investors in Thailand , open a Sdn Bhd
supermarket in Malaysia . Although His Sdn Bhd
supermarket are taxable , but this foreign
investors still pay his personal income tax to
Thailand instead of Malaysia , so how 4%
reduction in income tax attract more foreign
investors ??????

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my friend, you're keep on focusing on pasar malam
and cashier. I'm saying businesses create jobs
across the board. Businesses create more jobs for
engineers, accountants, designers etc all the way to
cashiers and toilet cleaners. Why so many Malaysian
talents went abroad? If we can attract more
businesses over here, with good policies (of course
we are not there yet), we'll create necessary jobs
for talents to come back and contribute to the
country.

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Maybe 4% is not enough. What's the exact figure to
be considered enough reduction? I don't know. But
look at Singapore and Hong Kong, for Singapore, they
are really attracting more firms to established
there after their low tax policies upon GST. Esso
and other pharma companies now operating in
Singapore. Maybe it's something we should study
before implement it to be sure it's done right. I'm
not saying we should implement it right away, but
rather we should be heading there one way or another

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You say you are focusing on what's good for the
future of the country, irregardless who's in the
government. BN corrupt , PKFZ 12.5 billion
scandal but now GST Tax , so BN are very
focusing on what's good for the future of the
country ?????

Selangor gov which complaining from time to time
that they can't get enough money to develop the
state is because ( negeri Selangor menyumbangkan
RM 16 bilion pendapatan Kerajaan Persekutuan.
Selepas anak Selangor menyumbangkan wang
berbilion-bilion ini, apa yang dikembalikan
kepada mereka hanya RM408.26 juta sahaja. )

You say your income bracket is 7% therefore
you're not benefited if no relief given after GST
This means you are not benefited , but still
don't die . How about those income bracket is
0% . You want these people to die ?????????

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friend, you didn't read my statement correctly but
keep on attacking me.
1) I said, "IF IMPLEMENTED THE RIGHT WAY", without
bringing PKFZ issue into this because it's not
relevant. We are looking at the gov
position, "IRREGARDLESS OF WHO's GOV"

2) That's why I said Selangor gov complained not
enough fund because they need funds to develop. I
strongly belive Khalid has lots of plans for
selangor. For eg, Klang river, it cost $50B to do
that. So you said Selangor can manage well with
$1.3 B, and I replied "yes, well for Operating
Expenses", but development wise, it's not enough.

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You saying businesses create jobs
across the board. Businesses create more jobs
for engineers, accountants, designers .
So Engineers and accountants cannot afford to
pay income tax , hoped that if they government
impose GST 4% they will reduce the income tax by
4% and also giving more reliefs to taxpayer ????

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friend, like i said "IF IMPLEMENT THE RIGHT WAY"
then, 0% income bracket won't be affected because if
they don't spend in shopping malls and high class
restaurants, they won't be affected.
Maybe hypermarket on control items no GST? So poors
won't get to pay GST. This is a thought to be
considered. It has been on the air many years,
during Pak La's time that GST only implemented for
gross income businesses more than $500k per year

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"IF IMPLEMENTED THE RIGHT WAY", BN also say this
when launching PKFZ which can create a lot of
job. But the problem now is " NOT IMPLEMENTED
THE RIGHT WAY",

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i'm saying 4% reduction "could possibly" attract
more investors and firms to come here, which have
multiplying effects on the economy. We look braoder
picture. It has to benefits all, from top brackets
to businesses, then to jobs etc. Companies can
later on use the extra income for R & D.
Also, i'm saying "MORE RELIEFS" so the first $30,000
or $50,000 enjoys more deduction. Just a suggestion

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0% income bracket won't be affected because
if
they don't spend in shopping malls . If you
build so many shopping malls like Sunway
PYramid , One Utama , KLCC and then ask don;t
spends in shopping malls , you call this
development ???????

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Friend, then this is the politic issue. The rakyat
needs to change fed gov if it's not implemented
correctly. Still, if new gov in charge, they will
have to face GST issue. That's why i said earlier,
let's be objective, this is not BN or Pakatan
problem. This is a problem to be considered as a
fed gov position.

One person can't say that because not implemented
correctly, and therefore more bribes among polices,
therefore should reduce samans to reduce rakyat
burden. My point is saman will stay, but the boss,
Fed Gov, will have to be changed

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Friend, i'm not asking poors not to go shopping
malls. I'm saying if they are poors, most likely
they won't think about entertainment and leisure
products. They will most likely reluctant to go
there and spend anyway (even without GST), therefore
they won't be affected.

I had been somewhat "poor" before, I earned $700-
$800 a month for a certain period before I get into
what i'm earning now. Therefore, I know how's poor
like as well

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Still, if new gov in charge, they will
have to face GST issue. So Nie Ching , PR
support GST tax or not . If I don't vote
Government which implement GST Tax , I Think it
is a small matter . But are you sure only little
people or there is actually a lot of people are
objecting GST Tax ???

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Friend,
1st, i'm saying Pakatan will have to deal with this
issue if they are a fed gov, irregardless they
support GST or not.

2nd, it could be most malaysians against it, you
could be probably right. But who doesn't think for
themselves only? Even if a policy is good for the
country (if that's true). Sometimes a leader has to
do what's right for the country, not what most
people want he/she to do. You can't just distribute
all the oil money into petrol pump just because you
want to make people happy to get vote. This is a
long term issue to deal with.
I'm not saying i'm right, but i'm putting my opinion
to be considered for the sake of the country.

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I think we can't based on GST to decide we want to
vote for Pakatan or BN. Because not all political
parties are perfect. We choose the best of two.

For eg, Pakatan did mention about local council
election before they won big in 308 but until now
there's no any action towards that. But that's not
going to affect my decision to vote for Pakatan
because it's not my main criteria. The openness of
politicians like Nie Ching to accept new ideas from
rakyat is 1 of the criteria for some people to
choose Pakatan.

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If you say a leader has to
do what's right for the country, not what most
people want he/she to do , that time Pak Lah "
naik minyak 70 sen " also say this , but after
implement this , you know how many people
angry . I think u explain to one people like me
also already in trouble , this not yet include
most people want . I not profesional . Roti
Canai maker profesional ??? Poor people don't
care what about attract foreign investors ,
and if you do something increase their cost of
living , you are the enemy .

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Friend,
1st, Pak La was really gila because he waited for so
long and increase oil price suddenly instead of
doing it gradually. Nevertheless, we have to deal
with market price for oil in the future. that's
another issue.
2nd, I'm not saying you're not a professional. I'm
saying let's be open minded when we debate this.
This is not a platform to have fighting and yelling
but rather exchanging ideas.
I'm not here to judge whether your ideas or my ideas
is correct. The judgement will be done after
certain period things have been implemented.
Even Lee Kuan Yew said lately that reputation of a
leader is judge 20, 30 years after he/she's dead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=Qc7Z71gxd8c&feature=related

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Well, many attributed the inflation as a
consequence of raising petrol price. But when
petrol price return to normal, why don't we see
price reduction in other goods?
Petrol is just the catalyst. The real reason for
inflation is our long running budget deficit. Our
government has been robbing from us by printing
more money.
You don't see it, you don't feel it, and a lot of
people are very happy being robbed. They think a
government who robs them silently and put back part
of their money in subsidy form is a good government.
I'm not against GST, but my concern would be
implementation effectiveness. More income channels
mean more administrative cost. If there are so many
income tax escapees, I would expect the same GST
escapees.
We need to concentrate on existing venues first.
Judging from the way Malaysians drive, even traffic
summons can be a good source of income if
corruption is eradicated (j/k).